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[hohnkai]

[On the 17th, Captain Thán sends out a text message addressing all Moirans.]

The environment on the ship has been extremely hostile, more than what's typical for us, and that has to stop. The punishment system was put into play to discourage these kinds of actions, but there have been more after its installation.

This means that things are going to change, beginning with the treatment of other crew members.

As your captains, we don't wish to force anyone to do anything, and we'd prefer that everyone learn to live and work together to achieve our common goal, but that idle behavior we've adopted is now over. All of us are extremely displeased.

We're going to start with reworking the punishment system. This will mean the creation of new positions (arresting officers, mediation officers, etc.), and the implementation of new rules.

Please state your suggestions, thoughts, and offer yourself as candidates for the new roles.

[Messages will come from all the captains.]

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[t65]

The punishments should be based on making sure people don't do offenses again, not scaring them into compliance. Making examples of people- [is wrong] ...doesn't work.

What is the legal system like on your planet? We should compare what works, I think, instead of focusing on what doesn't.

[hownkai]

We have given everyone aboard equal opportunity to prevent further offenses. Yet, there have been consequences to these actions that will not settle sooner rather than later. Fear does not give the right compliance, but fear from ill-judgment also creates chaos, Crewman Skywalker. [ Cúrre's expression doesn't waver. ] Where we are from, the legalities are simple and do not stress this sort of behavior.

It will not work here because it has not worked yet. This is why we have come to you collectively.

[stompadour]

About time. Security on this ship has been inexcusably lax. If you're planning on bringing in a practical justice system instead of the joke you've been using so far I'd be happy to help enforce it.

[hohnkai]

What do you believe is a practical justice system?

[wallcrawls]

How are applicants for the new roles going to be assessed?

[galalith]

Applicants will be judged by the quality of their character. Those who behave in a responsible and trustworthy manner will be assigned to the roles that best suit their capabilities. Those with past disciplinary infractions will not be eligible for these positions.

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[dust_of_life]

[Fatima's still trying to get used to her new situation. The announcement feels a little bit like COMPASS handing down orders from on high, but the subtle differences are enough to drive her curiosity forward.]

Are the captains going to be held to the same strictures?

[hohnkai]

Of course they are. If any of the captains were to behave in the same way, they would be put on trial and punished.

[seeingscarlet]

[While yes, she wishes they would have been more proactive with the Rinzler situation..."implementation of new rules" is a little concerning given her own precarious position at home.]

This is...you are not going to collar all of us, are you?

[hownkai]

Why would we collar anyone? [ There might be some confusion in that question. At least, as much as Cúrre is able to express. ]

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[diamondslap]

It won't work.

[hohnkai]

Why not?

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[devilofohara]

Are you really surprised?

[hohnkai]

We put the crew to higher standards, trusted everyone to make this work. We're not surprised that people are, well, surprising, but it is disappointing.

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[saveyourserpent]

Did you truly expect anything else?

[hohnkai]

We honestly hoped for better behavior from everyone.

[vengeance_driven]

I'm with Aurelia. It won't work.

It is a risky system alone due to power bias. We are all here against our will and some of us are much more overpowered than others. Plus you have no idea how to ensure the background of an arresting officer that comes in. Many of us have secret pasts that we have kept quiet. Things that may change our judgement.

And if some of those pasts are known, it would greatly affect the respect with which we treat these people. To give them trust. There are some I would work with, but some I would not trust to arrest me. I wouldn't trust some people to throw me in the hold. And what if the person who commits the crime has special abilities? Bam, it is done. Even before they are seen. Matching strength with person would be important to not make problems.

When you are trapped in a place where people do not understand each other, this will happen. You need more people to soothe tensions. But I guess for punishments, here's my recommendation. Class 2 Class 3 punishments involve job demotion. They want to be fucking slimeballs they scrape down the ship like the rest of us. No special positions for this bullshit. Also? You should probably pretty clearly state what we are not allowed to do on the ship. Because "not kill" or "not bad fight" or "not fucking bully" does not seem to be specific enough.

[If text could have a tone, that last bit would be sarcastic. Not at the captains, but he's incredibly disappointed by some people he expected more of now.]

[hohnkai]

I understand that there are power discrepancies and it's hard to trust that crew will do what's right, but we can't stay idle and let everyone hurt each other.

Your suggestion for punishments is noted.

What I don't understand is how that can be any clearer. Crew are not allowed to kill. Fighting is inevitable, but everyone needs to keep themselves in check. Bullying won't be tolerated.

We have to all work together to make this happen.

[imaginary_wife]

I'm going to admit. My experience with law-keepers hasn't been great. The last one I met punched me in the face and cut the skin off my back. And he was able to get away with it because he was the "friendly fun-loving sort" and that made whatever he did to me okay.

But I sure as hell want some rules put in place that fundamentally respect the harm people are doing to each other. I'm not impressed with the threats and I'm less impressed with the response to the threats. People are getting hurt trying to "improve" things. And it needs to stop.

[hohnkai]

That does not make it okay. Whatever personality traits one person has don't negate actions that are inappropriate or disgusting. He should not have hurt you.

It does need to stop, which is why we've come to the crew to let them know that we're done with all of this.

[keelahselai]

To be honest, I don't think appointing members of the crew to positions of power over the rest is a good idea.

[hohnkai]

I understand that. We have to put crew members into roles of responsibility, not power.

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[cardboard_boss]

Can understand people are pissed off. Lots of frayed tempers in a confined space. Not opposed to helping resolve issues though.

[hohnkai]

Do you have any suggestions?

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[imahologram]

Revising the justice system on the Moira is an admirable challenge and one I strongly support. To successfully protect and empower the crew, it must truly be a system of justice, not of punishment.

For the Moira to achieve a system in which fairness rules over petty revenge, we need structures in place to keep the system in check. In addition to creating new positions directly related to the reforms you want to enact, I would recommend the creation of a group to propose and manage the rules of the ship. Whether the Moira can support a full representative democracy, I'm not yet sure, but it isn't enough to have punishments. The crew must have a voice and a sense that their needs will be considered by those in power.

[hohnkai]

That's a very thoughtful response, and one that we will use when making our new system. The Justice System.

We understand that a system like this could be more successful, but it's one that will take time and effort to put into play. We'd need to find crew members dedicated to making this work.

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[ex_forcechoke292]

Leaving "justice" up for public debate is as foolish as it is useless. What has been put in place to leave any of us to think such a thing is done in anyone's best interest?

[hohnkai]

What do you suggest then? An environment where the captains make all the decisions doesn't garner trust or respect. We wanted to give the crew a voice, a way to be responsible for their own actions, and it's not working in the way we hoped it would.

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[ventifact]

so your punishment system failed
and now you're asking those living in the "extremely hostile" environment to suggest a new one
yes very typical

[hohnkai]

Would you rather we made all the decisions for ourselves, without allowing you an opinion or thought into what happens?

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[hatesimprovising]

I'm glad you're reworking things and taking the crew's suggestions into account.

So long as the people put into these new positions are held to the same rules as everyone else--and I imagine you have every intention of making sure that they are--having these positions in place is probably a good idea. It should help keep everyone safer. ...I hope.

I'd like to offer myself as a candidate, I think. I...want to be able to do something to help if I can.

[hohnkai]

I believe that if we were all to try, we can make this work, but it has to be a combined effort.

There aren't many that want to be here on this ship. We understand, but that doesn't mean we can all act out and cause each other harm. Something has to be done and we want to do it better than the time before this.

What skills or experience do you have?

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[tearmeanewone]

Thank you.

[She actually sounds extremely relieved that something is happening, even if people are still unhappy. There's no pleasing everybody, obviously, but that hasn't prevented her from trying to think of something that would.]

From what I've observed from speaking to parties involved in these incidents is that there's some potential for an 'us versus them' mentality. Fear of oppression of a certain group is high. I had a thought that perhaps creating a semi-formal council that would represent these groups-- mutants and monsters for example-- might assuage any seeds of paranoia. I would be interested in being the point of contact between these representatives and you three.

This isn't a proposal for how to fix the current justice system, but it could be an addition to whatever system is put in place to at least ease the idea that certain crewmembers aren't being recognized.

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[hohnkai]

Elizabeth.

We hadn't considered creating a council, but that's something we will discuss thoroughly. I've been approached by multiple crew members, and have learned that they believe that there is something akin to prejudice against those of non-human origin happening on the Moira. Us, your captains, are not of human origin. There are not as many humans on board as crew seem to think. We won't tolerate that kind of behavior any longer.

However, there is paranoia and crew are acting out. It has to be stopped.

We're already aware of your skills, so we take your offer as a go between and hold it in the highest regard. Are here any others you would recommend?

[goodluckkobra]

suggestion: go fuck yourself

[ Not that Kobra's broken any rules other than his initial uniform issues. ]

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[hohnkai]

We only want thoughtful, constructive responses to our inquiry. Your access to this post has been blocked.

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[heroicpose]

OK THAT'S COOL N ALL BUT
THERE'S ALREADY SOME PREJUDICE AGAINST INORGANICS ON THIS SHIP
LIKE NO ONE REALLY CONSIDERS US ALREADY
SO WHAT'S TO SAY THIS NEW SYSTEM WON'T JUST WIDEN THAT GAP???

[hohnkai]

What do you mean no one considers you? Has something happened?

We don't discriminate based on whether someone is organic or inorganic. That doesn't matter to us. The new system will not set you apart from anyone else. Everyone will be held to the same rules.

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[swaddledog]

[ Sup, it's Mana's bodyguard. ]

A few deaths and fights over several months is a pretty good track record if you ask me.

From personal experience, killing tends to stem from the need to remove an obstacle or a means to an end. If killing is happening, it's because a certain need isn't being met, either physically or mentally.

Have you considered it's not a flaw with the people but rather a flaw with the environment?

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[galalith]

[ Sup it's Furiosa's boss. ]

A loss of life in any scenario is something we would rather avoid, Crewmember Furiosa. If it is a flaw in the environment of the ship then we will do our utmost to change it. These tensions are unacceptable to crew morale and a continued sense of safety among our charges.

[redshitlord]

Kick Tarn off the ship and into a black hole.

There, that's my suggestion. 'Cause literally anything you do isn't gonna matter to a walking death machine.

How's that for helpful hints?

[galalith]

Your suggestion has been noted, Crewmember Sideswipe. However, with the nature of the Ingress it is likely that Crewmember Tarn would be resurged and returned to the ship. Therefore I would not advise such a course of action as it might increase tensions upon his arrival.

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[skelepun]

i'm not gonna try to tell you how to do your jobs, and i'm not sure i've got much reason to trust ya either way, but there are a few things you probably oughta know.

got a place i could meetcha?

[hohnkai]

Come to my room. The door will be open.

[ersatzeverything]

Man, I really like the idea of justice for all? I've just never seen a system that didn't end up totally corrupt. And in a place like this, with people from all over, I bet we couldn't even get people to agree on what justice is supposed to look like, much less how to enforce it fairly and without oppression. Like, we might have one person who's morally against any corporal punishment under any circumstances, and another person who thinks it's totally cool and normal to kill a guy for stealing your lunch: just because they're from different worlds and coming in with totally different expectations.

Basically, I appreciate that you care, but I think you're screwed.

[hownkai]

We are aware of these differences. That is why we are asking for input from each and every crew member. [ A pause. ] Do you have one?

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[aminerproblem]

In my experience, a little prevention will go a long way to keep your crew from attacking each other.

Miles and I have been considering possible positions for an organized security team. The crew has certainly gotten large enough to need it.

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[hohnkai]

We agree. What have the two of you come up with so far? Any crew that you believe should fill those positions?

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[ryuuzaki]

To my mind, the problem is cultural. We really don't know what constitutes a severe crime or a severe punishment in a given culture. The sentences I've been aware of so far, particularly those for murder and grievous bodily harm, have been extremely lax in light of the crimes that prompted them. The exception is the conditions of imprisonment, which seemed excessively poor to me.

A caveat: While opening this to broad discussion looks good, I can't say that I necessarily expect it to be effective: it's already being used as a platform to air grievances that are only tangentially related. Furthermore, while it's helpful to be open to suggestions, this isn't a democracy. I'm not sure we should bother to pretend that it is.

What do you think would be appropriate? Requesting input on a specific proposal might be more effective than what amounts to opening a complaint box.

[But it's really just that he hates politics.]

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[hohnkai]

What makes you think that it's not a democracy? There is very little, in the grander scheme of things, that we ask of the crew.

Don't kill each other. Do your share. We don't want to have to lay out specific rules, but the crew is doing very little to behave without them.

We're starting with this. An open forum if you will. We want to hear what everyone has to say and then we'll propose a new system.

Do you have thoughts on it?