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[What kind of douche would wear sunglasses indoors? Someone who can't tell that he hasn't centred the video properly. Matt would normally avoid using video altogether since it's more of a hassle, but he feels this needs to have a face to go along with it.]

It's become increasingly clear that our sojourn isn't going to be over any time soon and instead we're welcoming more people so I felt we need to figure out a few ground rules. Avoiding recreating Lord of the Flies is in our best interests. [Yes, he's aware this makes him Ralph at best, Piggy at worst.

He pushes his glasses further up before he continues.]

It's been touched on in our contracts, cooperation is encouraged because we are all in the same position, but with all the different people here we may not have the same understanding of right or wrong. My name is Matt Murdock and I'm currently your Interrogation Technician, but before that I was a lawyer in the state of New York which is why I'm bringing it up. For those of you who don't know where New York is, I'm from a planet called Earth.

Anyway, the basics should be don't murder, attack or steal from your fellow crewmates and do your job. But it's the trickier situations that I ask your opinion for. Say one of us is a wanted criminal in their world, do we hold them? If yes, how do we verify that the information is true in the first place? And if you have any other suggestions, feel free to share them. We can't pass any laws, but we can at least agree to a certain code of conduct.

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[ miles gets the distant sense that this could roll downhill very, very quickly. ]

Have you checked with our dear captains? One would think they'd be the ones making the rules on this ship.

Edited 2015-10-09 10:51 (UTC)

I'm not making any rules, I'm asking which ones might be a good idea to make.

[Look at this completely innocent face.]

[ uh huh. ]

Right. And don't you think you ought to check what rules might already be in place before you go starting a committee? The captains are the premier authority on the ship, I'm sure they've considered the most basic regulations at least.

Were you planning on digging into the past, Mr. Interrogation Technician?

[Despite the wording, he's actually pretty calm. It's in that good-natured humorous voice Tony uses for PR things. Gentle and charming to a lot of people.]

I thought we'd apply the law like the old West.

[That is such a bad idea, Tony of all people should know better.]

Is that how you ran SHIELD, Mr. Stark?

[Wow, how rude. He doesn't frown, but his brow knits. He hides his expression under an impression of confusion for everyone else, but his voice changes to something slightly more serious.]

Are you implying that SHIELD isn't doing well? As far as I know, everyone is just fine.

[Don't ask him for details on a public line!]

I'm not sure if I'm the right person to tell you what happened after you left your office. I am limited to what I've heard in the news.

[He's going to assume that this won't break the timeline since Tony's asking.]

[He's not asking for details! Not exact ones, at least...]

I wouldn't leave unless I was sure it would work out. I guess that answers my question.

[Because he knows himself. Tony pauses, then he smiles. Again, it's pretty much for anyone that happens to be watching. His voice doesn't raise.]

To answer your question, I run SHIELD based on the advice given to me from trusted officers. It works just fine.

[There's a hesitant pause because Tony's getting the wrong impression, but it seems cruel to correct him.]

No one told me you were big on trust. I hear mostly unflattering things about your paranoia.

[This time he does laugh. It's quiet and tired, but genuine.]

They're Fury's. I can't really argue with that sort of endorsement, can I?

[They won't let him. They'll smack him into shape if it ends him. But he does like Dugan and Maria most of the time. They keep him from completely losing his mind, he thinks.]

You say paranoia, but I like to call it being prepared.

Can we even verify something like that? Honestly, that all sounds... problematic. Locking people away like that. If anything, hold them if they do something while here on board. Otherwise this has the potential to become ugly really fast.

[ Not to mention they just might get to a point where there are more people locked up than not. ]

Besides, I'm pretty sure the people actually running this ship might have something to say on this matter. Better to ask them about it.

A telepath could as well as a information supplemented from a polygraph, but you're right that it would mostly be based on one person's word over another.

[Matt remains upbeat despite the fact that he's essentially circumventing the chain of command.]

I'm sure they do, but they can answer for themselves after seeing our opinions here.

[He's of the opinion that even if with the Captains, things should be discussed with everyone first.]

Precisely. Not to mention on how would we decide exactly what kinds of doings should be considered crimes, and thus deserving of punishment.

[ Matt probably knows where he's going with his, he doesn't need to say it. ]

Fair enough. I won't argue with that. [ So long as it doesn't end with the crew starting a riot or something like that. ]

[Well who doesn't have a few skeletons in the closet.]

I'm sure most of us would be happy to be judged on our actions here rather than something out of context from our home worlds.

Precisely. [ A pause. ] Is that your personal opinion too?

[Well, Interrogation Technician sounds like it'll be a fun job. A criminal from a communist country with a bad war that went into a horribly capitalist world from there automatically has some misgivings.] I am from an Earth, and there is no New York there. There are cities like it, but not the same.

And what if someone is a wanted criminal from a place with a bad government, do you hold them even if this answer is yes? What if they learn to do bad things to survive because the only other way is to get the shit kicked out of them.

Is a little complicated, sure.

We already had a man attack people because of outside influence. Things might still be complicated as this even with such simple rules.

It's why I'm personally inclined to wiping the slate while we're here. Of course if some of the criminals from my world were here I might regret that position, but ensuring that a claim is genuine is difficult.

[One man doesn't make the rules, hence this post.]

But the attack you mentioned, people's behaviour then were affected by what looked like withdrawal. It wasn't under duress and from my experience that should grant leniency, but not absolve them of blame.

Edited 2015-10-09 11:48 (UTC)

And if is withdrawal not from being junkies [Niko has no real love for drug addicts, they fucked up his life enough, so they get the not nice term] but from things that happen to them because of them doing their job? They get like this because they went on a mission to work.

[He's a little sorry for his English sometimes. He does pretty well, but sometimes it gets in the way of him adequately sharing an idea.]

And that's why this should be discussed now instead of when something happens. Our experiences are different and we don't have the luxury of a shared world history to relate to.

You suggest absolving them and I advocate for reduced sentencing, one person can't decide everything but maybe we can find a middle path.

You know, it is not because of normal withdrawal that these people act as they do. It is because they had to be close to that stupid drug we had to pick up from the planet. Something messed them up. It made Miles attack people. He normally wouldn't do that- at first I thought it was something strange from the bar, too, but it was because of the planet.

[He still has some of that substance. Yes, he's probably going to sell it. But not on board.]

That is the middle path. If he was drunk? Sure. Do as you like. But if he is this way because of things the captain makes you do? Then military rules say the commanding officer is responsible. [Goran probably would have been accountable for what he made his unit do, too, except he didn't make it through the war. He doesn't suppose that matters now.] There was not enough information give to the people that went down there.

You know what I can do. [They work together; he has to. Whether people believe her, though, that's the question.]

I don't think we can punish anyone unless their crimes are here. There is limited space in the hold and we could be here for months.

A little bit. [He's not lying about that. Matt spent years carefully maintaining a distance from most of their community and it means he mostly knows the general details.]

And we're woefully understaffed as is. [He understands, but he doesn't like it.]

We have to be practical, but it is galling to imagine a serial killer getting out in months or even weeks.

I don't like it but I am not sure what else we could do. If I look in their heads and see that they would kill again, then what? I am not sure the captains or the rest of the crew would let us hold them.

Isn't that up for the captains to decide? ( that's what a chain of command is for, isn't it? to issue orders that everyone else follows. ) I didn't give an oath or anything when I arrived, but I'm pretty sure agreeing to work for them puts us in their chain of command.

( this... might actually create problems when it comes to gregor. )

And whose moral compass would we use to decide who deserves to be locked up? Those are wide and varied, from my experience.

It's not an ideal situation, but we might have to stick with the simplest solution and let go of past transgressions - all past transgressions - at least for now.

[ As much as Clark believes justice should be served, he doesn't see a fair way to do that on the ship right now. ]

Even on Earth, the rules aren't the same everywhere. How long would we hold a hypothetical criminal? What if they've committed a capital offense?

Another question is whether we would be capable of holding them in the first place in the case of, say, someone with superhuman abilities.

[Yes, hello. Wanted fugitive here. Wanted fugitive who is not at all happy with this line of questioning.]

You’ve already said we likely come from planets with different ideas of right and wrong. [Or in Athena’s case, planets with no ideas of right and wrong.] We cannot detain anyone if none of us can agree on whose laws to abide by.

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