visionarie: (Dissuade)
Vision ([personal profile] visionarie) wrote in [community profile] thisavrou2016-04-16 09:29 pm

⌈ 02 ⌋ ⧫ ⌊ VIDEO ⌉

[He looks troubled when the recording turns on.]

The trial of Rinzler is over. His sentence has been passed and is now being carried out, yet additional punishments are being imposed on the prisoner. He is... damaged. In pain. And no medical aid has been given.

[His lips press together as he grows quiet for a moment. His eyes fall casting a shadow across his face as he struggles to put into words what his mind is still analyzing in millions of threads. There's a disturbing imbalance in the way the synthetic was being treated. But how could he explain what he only knew through thought alone? He struggles with this until he latches onto a single thread of thought.]

... Everyone has limits.

They can travel so far... handle so much before reaching theirs. [His eyes slowly shift up to look back at the recording.] If stairs were 10ft tall no one would climb them. If doors were a thousand pounds heavy no one would open them. If rooms were kept at boiling temperatures no one would use them. Society adjusts all these to meet limits but they are made with the limits of the average person in mind. But on this ship... there is no average. At least, none that makes sense - but we still must adjust. The Cybertronians mobility is limited at times due to their size, and now another incident has arisen. The holding cells have become a torture chamber for the prisoner it's meant to detain.

Rinzler is a sentient being. He is suffering. He is serving his sentence but that sentence doesn't include torture or death. We are obligated to provide his basic needs: medical aid, appropriate nutrients in the form of power to help with recovery, and reasonable temperatures that match his standards not ours.

If there is anyone who can help. Please do so.

Captains.... please take this request into consideration.


[OOC: Forward-dated to the 19th of Feb.]
breakin_ur_lore: (please state the nature of the medical e)

[personal profile] breakin_ur_lore 2016-04-17 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
[Rinzler killed his roommate. And another person, and injured a third, though perhaps one could consider the last justified as self-defense - but he still killed Med'an's friend. And those things they mentioned at the trial, the other times he'd been violent....

Med'an doesn't understand why any of this happened. Why did Peter think confronting this man was a good idea? Why did Alice help? Why has Rinzler apparently been so combative with everyone?

But as much as he dislikes the man - is horribly angry and upset and afraid to be on this damn ship - he agrees with Vision. More or less. Torture of a prisoner is not just.

(He hasn't quite understood the whole program concept, yet, though, so Vision's words are somewhat confusing. Did they do something odd to the cell? Well, regardless; )
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...What sort of medical aid does he need?

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quixotically: (courier ♧ well?)

[personal profile] quixotically 2016-04-17 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
I... I can't help him, not with his injuries, but, still, for what it's worth...

I agree entirely. If the captains don't notice this, it should be taken to them directly. The hold doesn't have to be -- luxurious, by any means, but... Leaving people in there like that? It's not going to make anything better. And it isn't right.
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[personal profile] ersatzeverything 2016-04-17 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
This network announcement gets my seal of approval. I'm pretty sure that any justice system that includes torture is, uh, not a good one.

For the record, the heat down there is pretty torturous for organics, too.

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[personal profile] ryuuzaki 2016-04-17 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
[A long pause after the transmission begins, and then,]

What's happening?

[He sounds vaguely concerned, certainly interested. He didn't knowingly vote for any real kind of torture: while he felt that the sentences were too short for the crimes involved, there's no reason to turn the screws in this case. It occurs to him, though, that he may need to be more careful about the way he phrases his questions.]

That is, what constitutes suffering for him? What, specifically, is causing it?
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[personal profile] deal 2016-04-17 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
[Cassandra isn't really wanting to be a part of any of this, because of her bias toward Peter because she sees him as a friend. She recognizes that, and also recognizes that makes her a bad source of compassion toward the other party involved due to the mentality of kill or be killed she's had to live by back home.

Still, she's not without compassion entirely so she speaks up.
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Does he have any friends here? Allies, or a group he relies on?

[She hesitates in saying further, but she knows it's the right thing to do.]

I'm not a doctor or anything, but I've picked up some decent first aid where I come from. What's wrong with him?

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[personal profile] bloodredsky 2016-04-17 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
[Everything going on has him uneasy. People hurting others shouldn't happen, no matter what, right? At least there's some sort of sentencing going on...]

I can't help much, but...you're right. I agree. Even if they've done something wrong, no one should be tortured. It's not fair.

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[personal profile] needsnoface 2016-04-18 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
While I applaud you and others who have shown actual empathy about the prisoner, and I would gladly help if I was capable of such. The plea to the captains about the conditions and this entire system is likely going to be a very slow if any sort of progress in humane treatment.


Especially if many of those who are biased against past and present offenders color the opinions to believe such is deserved out of some emotionally fueled belief those like Rinzler are supposed monsters.

[BB is pretty certain mob mentality may become a problem at some point.]

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beautifulspaceraptor: (oh yeah?)

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[personal profile] beautifulspaceraptor 2016-04-18 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Rinzler does not wish for repairs. On that front, we can do little for him.

That said, I have been pinging the Captains to see if they'd agree to modifying the hold into something less unfortunate. Would you like to help me with those modifications?

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squadgoals: (ohhh THOSE rachni)

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What's going on? I'd heard he was rejecting medical treatment, not being denied it.

I haven't been down to the hold, yet. Is the temperature that different?

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whoami: (For a body in the garden)

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[personal profile] whoami 2016-04-18 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The colder the environment the better. A fan would help. Maybe more. The only way to edit a Program is through their disk. You are welcome to ask him if he wants repairs, but seeing as that might also leave him vulnerable, I doubt it. I do see him needing energy, though. I don't know if all Programs typically enter a weird sort of torpor when they suffer grievous damage, either. But extra energy is never a bad idea.
[ And that's all Sam knows. He's seen the footage, the trial, and would have abstained from voting anyway. He has his reasons for doing so, but this way what he knew might stand a chance of doing at least one Program some good. ]

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[personal profile] alan_1 2016-04-18 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I’ve contacted the captains about lowering the hold temperature. Still waiting for a response.

[The second half of the message is locked and encrypted.]

If the captains don’t authorize it, is there a way to bypass temperature control?
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notglitching: (red - turn and look)

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[personal profile] notglitching 2016-04-18 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
[By the time Rinzler gets sick enough of looping to check his MID, he's put the conversation with Vision almost entirely out of processing. It takes two lines to realize this was a Mistake. He'd honestly expected the android to forget its misgivings in a few micros. At most, Rinzler assumed it would pick some admin to bother and get nowhere in the attempt.

Somehow it hadn't occured to him Vision would broadcast his damaged state to the whole system.

On the down side? Rinzler's furious. On the up side? He's definitely paying more attention now.]

Broadcast: not requested.

Told you already.


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romanticsoul: (duchess)

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[personal profile] romanticsoul 2016-04-20 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this.

[ The trial process left a bad taste in Satine's mouth, this broadcast is a very welcome contrast. ]

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[personal profile] tearmeanewone 2016-04-23 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
If the captains do not respond within the day, please let me know.

[She has the ear of the captains, after all. If they won't treat this matter seriously, she'll insist on it.]

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